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By the way you CAN Flop Quads and a Full house Against? a Straight Flush Draw which you said was impossible, genius.
Flop: Jc Js 10s
Player 1: Straight flush draw: Ks Qs
Player 2: Quads: Jh Jd
Player 3: Full House: 10h 10c
If you think players only call All in with Top 2 pair or better, I’d like to be on that predictable table.
I regularly see players Go all in with a Pair of Kings, Queens and Aces on the Flop at $5-$10 on Full Tilt for 1k. So don’t give me that.
So most poker literature, Phil Gordon, All the greats like Ivey and Chris Ferguson who helped Phil edit this play in his book by the way,
All of them are wrong, thanks to you,
The great Mr Poker Stove.
So what? How often are they going to have a Set or better at the exact same time?
All 2 Pair, 1 pair and draws are an underdog to a Straight Flush draw. The chances of you being up against a Set or better are no worse then Set over Set and when do you fold that?
Is folding Set over Set +EV in your playbook too?
Poker Listings have an large article on this i suggest you read, most pro’s know this. Is Phil Gordon an idiot too?
You’re not getting what i’m saying. If someone calls your all in, they have a set or 2 pair. doesn’t matter how often it happens, when you do it you are beat period. Therefore you make no money on worse hands, and you get beat by better hands = -EV
While sets will usually never fold, The odds of them having a Set or better at the same time you have a Straight Flush draw are so slim you’d be an idiot to ever be scared of it or to not get all your money in.
Same as you can’t be scared of Set over Set, it’s no different. Get your money in.
And how often are you going to be up against a 42% range that beats you WHEN you flop a Straight Flush draw and play it strong?
Wet Staight flush flops ARE the very flops you normally will hit Einstein, that’s why you have a lot of fold equity. Against all 2 pair and low sets, All one pair hands. and any drawing hand i.e most of a players range.
Straight Flushes are a monster draw against any player and any range. Never play it weakly.
Did you even read my post? I just said you are a 42% to win the hand against anything that calls your AI flop bet. I never said they flopped a FH or Quads as it would be impossible for you to have a SFD on those boards. You have no fold equity versus 2 pair or sets. Nobody folds a set on the flop, sorry it just don’t happen unless is an obvious straight or flush flop. Open up pokerstove and do the ranges yourself if you don’t believe me. I never said fold, if you get 1.5:1 or better is instacall
How often do you get a Straight Flush draw, and at the SAME time the opponent Flops a Quad or Full House? You can even get some tight players to fold a set in this spot.
Even if they go all in that does NOT mean that is the hand they have, many players are aggressive today.
The vast vast majority of the time you are ahead of everything, And most of the time you will be the one with the fold Equity or a high likelyhood of hitting.
Quit playing Scared poker when the odds are in your favour.
Here. I just ran the numbers for you. with a straight flush draw against competent villain range you are 42% to 57%. Anything that is calling your all in has you beat, period. Everyone once in a while you get it in vs a 2pr type hand where you are almost 50/50 although still a small dog. If your flush is dead you are 33% to win. If you are against a set you are 42%. And you have no fold equity pushing all in. Like i said you only get hands to fold that you beat already.
Straight Flush draws are very rare, so you’re hardly smashing your variance. On top of huge Fold Equity, Even in the very rare worst case they hit a Full House or Quads, you can still catch a Straight Flush and win. It is simple plus EV long term.
You can lose 20 times with 70% equity, that’s poker. If you are playing THAT scared you must be so easy to blow off hands by aggressive players who know you will fold to to big bets, or you’re playing WAY above your bankroll.
@ojideagu I never said I would fold, learn to read. Also I’ve read plenty of poker books to know not to coinflip myself to death. 5% 20 times is all of your BR and yes you CAN lose 20 coinflips in a row. Also like I said against any competent player you are not 54% to win. Play it strong? yes, but some of that time you’re flush draw is dead, and if you don’t hit your straight flush the set has a redraw to boat. By all means coinflip yourself to death lose a BR then talk to me
Go and read some poker books and strategy on Nut Straight Flush draws and you will see you are totally wrong, Combo draws must be played for stacks in cash games. If you semi bluff check raise and are re-raised all in on the flop, it’s an automatic call.
Only if you’re an idiot with half their bankroll on the table is it an incorrect move in Cash games. You should have 5% on the table.
@ojideagu Yes I do. Like I said if someone is willing to play for stacks with you, you are not 54% favorite. sorry just not gonna happen. pokerstove it for yourself and give villain a respectable range for his AI. And I think a propensity to coin flip is gonna give you some huge variance, have fun doin that. Would I fold to an AI, probably not. However when you go all in you do not get worse to call often enough to make it profitable. (unless you’re playin donks)
You think 54% in your favour with 5% of your bankroll All in is a BAD move? Come and join MY cash table.
If you have the nut Flush Draw and a pair on the Flop it’s even more essential to go ALL in with your straight flush draw, you are the fucking favourite you dummy.
It’s not just a draw, it’s the most powerful draw in NL. You should have enough in your Bankroll that your buyin is always only 5-10%, on the table otherwise you’re a donkey scared to commit when the odds are in their favour.
Ask any pro they will say the same. When you are a 54% favourite with a Combo draw it is the correct MOVE always in a CASH GAME because the odds are in your favour.
@ojideagu Oh really? Yea I know what it is and it’s still a draw. Anyone willing to go stacks with you it isn’t just gonna be a coinflip. Oh and if you get your best situation ie. coinflip you play for stacks ALWAYS? say 200-300bb deep. please join my table
It’s called a Combo draw, it’s always right to put your entire stack in on a straight flush draw because you are 54% favourite to win in most situations in a cash game.
You have to when you are short stacked and the blinds are high in a tournament.
Yeah cash games only. I’ve learnt the hard way not to risk your tournament life on a coin flip like the one shown in this video
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Ok, but only in cash games.
I’ve changed my mind about this. I like this play now, especially if you are the aggressor.